Residential Care Center on Psych Center Property Being Phased Out

Remaining patients at RCCA will be sent to Pilgrim Psychiatric Hospital by November.


The residential care center housed on the former Kings Park Psychiatric Center grounds will be phased out by Nov. 2, with remaining patients being sent to Pilgrim Psychiatric Center in Brentwood.

According to a spokesman with the New York State Office of Mental Health, 75 patients still remain at RCCA, a residential services program that provides support to those who find it difficult to live in a more independent setting, and will be transferred to a 325-bed unit program at Pilgrim. The state began the phase out in December 2011.

Brian X. Foley, deputy state parks regional director said, speaking at the Thursday evening Kings Park Civic Association meeting, the building will "continue to have public purpose" and that the Department of Environmental Conservation may move its Marine Bureau, which is currently located in South Setauket, to the empty space.

The State-Operated Community Residence, which has two 24-bed residences, will remain open along with the two residences located at the entrance of the property at Kings Park Boulevard and Rt. 25a.


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Alyssa September 19, 2012 at 09:50 PM
I was thinking the same thing. I wish they would.
kptree September 20, 2012 at 02:37 PM
But why? What possible reasons would they have to close the residences? The buildings are newer and well maintained. The services they provide are necessary. What is your rationale for wanting NYS to close them?
John K Massaro September 20, 2012 at 02:51 PM
The only explanation i could think of is that they're NIMBY'S who don't want that kind of residence in their town. Obviously not native Kings Parkers. They're new blood that have no idea of the history of this town. They have no clue to the history of the KPPC & how the town was basically built around it. They don't see the benefits. All they see is percieved property value & how their citiot friends can measure their level of envy. My entire family heritage is rich with KPPC employees. I, for one, am very proud of that place...
kptree September 20, 2012 at 04:55 PM
I suspect you are right, John. Your argument makes sense and I would add that the commenters are most likely afraid of the buildings' residents. Mental illness still carries a tremendous stigma. There will always be people who fear differences whether it's different looks, actions, speech, etc. Of course, ignorance plays a big role too. Few people take the time to learn about mental illness and mistakenly treat it like it's contagious. But still, I would love to hear the commenters give reasons, valid reasons for closing the residences, other than fear and ignorance.
Quality01 September 20, 2012 at 09:12 PM
Please move them, this way we won't have them walking around the community, begging for money, urinating in Savatt Park or sleeping in front of store fronts.
John K Massaro September 20, 2012 at 09:28 PM
The defense rests...
kpdm September 21, 2012 at 02:48 AM
I can give you some reasons. How about being followed through a store w my children and while being asked repeately for money or just pulling into a parking lot and being approached at my car door by 2 large men again asking for money. Or how about the type of felonies that were commited by some of these pts... pedophiles, murderers.. they roam our streets.. this is ok w you. There were a few pedophiles being housed at this facility and to only have around the corner are our schools...!!?? I completely understand mental illness but I feel some of these ppl should be somewhere else, not in the middle of a community. I would say whoever disagrees w me probably do not have children.
John K Massaro September 21, 2012 at 03:01 AM
Oh please. Stop. Just stop. You have absolutely no proof of who lives in those houses...
kpdm September 21, 2012 at 03:15 AM
oh yes I do. nys website.
John K Massaro September 21, 2012 at 03:21 AM
Show me. Not to argue with you but to educate me. Perhaps I am wrong... Still, you apparantly didn't live here when the entire hospital was in full swing. If you're worried over one person "following" you, you would have ran out of town screaming back then...
kptree September 21, 2012 at 07:24 PM
According to the NY State website, there are currently no sex offenders living on KPPC/state property. Of course safety of children is of paramount importance. But you can have pedophiles/sex offenders living in your neighborhood that have no connection to Pilgrim Pysch.(formerly KPPC) and you can have criminals as well. According to several articles in the Patch, Kings Park has had it's fair share of criminal offenders who were home grown or renting in town, not residents of the buildings. The poster kpdm has had some frightening experiences it sounds like but still doesn't make a valid argument for the buildings to close. The poster assumes without proof that the harassers were psychiatric patients. Closing the buildings will not eradicate undesirables from Kings Park or Suffolk County or Long Island or NYS. Closing will just further narrow the scope and width of services for the mentally ill that are so lacking.
Jim September 21, 2012 at 07:48 PM
Well i guess living in the past still happens?! People should not be getting followed and even if it was happening back then it shouldnt now. People that can function in society i have no problems with but people who beg for money and follow you around while with your children is not good. That one person following could also mean the last time you see your son or daughter. You dont know what that person is thinking
John K Massaro September 21, 2012 at 08:24 PM
Jim, the point I'm trying to make (or the question I'm asking) is how is KPDM tying her experience with a panhandler to a patient in SOCR? Did he have a nametag on? That could have been anybody from anywhere, not necessarily a patient from SOCR. Who's to say the guy was even from KP at all? Anything is possible, but like I said, if he didn't introduce himself as a patient or wasn't wearing a sign, how could she possibly be sure he was a patient at all? Trust me, my family's employee history with the KPPC dates back to the late '40s/early '50s. I know for a fact that SOCR has no dangerous patients residing there. The patients residing in SOCR are one step away from being released into the public once their treatment is completed, 90% of them are just waiting for available housing outside the system. If at all, ROCR is where any of the remaining dangerous patients might have been housed, but they're most likely all gone by now...
JIM September 21, 2012 at 09:35 PM
kptree September 21, 2012 at 09:44 PM
JIM, MAYBE YOU DON"T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE STATE OPERATED COMMUNITY RESIDENCE IS- IT IS NOT A DRUG REHAB OR HALFWAY HOUSE wow, Jim, don't you get headaches just from typing in all caps? But seriously, Jim, you know KP has its own share of drug users and sellers that have nothing to do with the Pysch center? You do read the news, at least the news on the Patch? Jim, you are giving weight to my arguments that the people that want the SOCAs moved are the least educated, most ignorant, most narrow minded? Don't do it dude. Step back from the keyboard and think (or at least try to think) what should my argument be that is based in fact. What can I come up with that is not unsubstantiated (that means you can't prove it) rumor? Come on, Jim! Harken back to those days of 4th? possibly 7th? grade education that you received and compose a lucid, valid point. YOU CAN DO IT, JIM!!!!!!!!
John K Massaro September 21, 2012 at 09:46 PM
...sigh. Jim, why can't you just admit that I have a valid point & move on? Why is it when faced with defeat, you need to resort to petty childishness? Seriously, what's the point of your post?
Alyssa September 21, 2012 at 09:49 PM
KP Tree, it's harsh to assume that the reason I would prefer they close those homes down is due to ignorance. I have never thought that mental illness is contagious. I am 100% supportive of people getting the help that they need, but that being said, I think that some of the people from these homes that are walking around town might not be ready to do that yet. I agree with Jim that people begging and following you around, especially if you have children, can potentially be very dangerous. John K, I find your comments about not being native KPers hilarious. You're not the first person I've seen on this site talk about this. Am I the only one who thinks this sounds incredibly sanctimonious? I'm happy you're proud of your hometown and all, but "new blood"? C'mon, it's all just so ridiculous.
kptree September 21, 2012 at 09:59 PM
Alyssa, no substantiated fact/news report = assumption and ignorance. No matter how you slice it you are not 100% supportive of people getting the help they need because you stated that you wished the SOCAs would be moved. To where? and why? It's nice to think you are not biased against the mentally ill because you say things like "I'm 100% supportive" it's another to reveal your bias when you statement is "I wish they would move". You 'fraid, Alyssa. And you apparently don't want to have to see or deal with people who are different. Again, make a valid argument with factual, substantiated points and I will be happy to listen. Perpetuate rumors and fear and you are an ignorant troll.
Alyssa September 21, 2012 at 10:05 PM
Wow, personal attacks. You seem like a lovely person.
kptree September 21, 2012 at 10:28 PM
Thanks, Alyssa. I am, actually. And one of the things that makes me lovely is that I can differentiate between "personal attacks" the definition of which is "Making an abusive remark instead of providing evidence when examining another person's claim or comments" and criticism. What "abusive remarks" did I make? Did I call you a name? Slur your reputation? Nope. Read the remark about the troll again. Did I call you a troll? No, Alyssa, the comment stated that I find people (not just you) who perpetuate rumors and fear to be ignorant trolls. It did not say "Alyssa is an ignorant troll." But I'm a lovely person. I forgive you for your false accusations. And I invite you to respond to my remarks with valid arguments instead of hiding behind finger pointing.
John K Massaro September 21, 2012 at 10:52 PM
Again, Alyssa. All I ask is how you determine that the panhandlers you've experienced are connected to SOCR? Again I ask, are they wearing nametags? Do they come up to you & say, "Hi, I'm a patient. Gimme money"? My comments about "new blood" ring true. Those who have lived their entire lives in this town are aware of it's history & aware of their surroundings. Those who are new to the town (post KPPC closing) apparantly have no clue how to react when dealing with a possible patient. They aren't zombies. Their sickness is not contagious, yet you all speak of them as if they should have seperate water fountains & ride on the back of the bus. To us "native Kings Parkers", they're nothing more than a part of every day life in our town, to you "newbies" they're the second coming of the plague. Believe me. If these patients "weren't ready" to be offgrounds, they wouldn't even be housed there. They would be in Pilgrim.
kpdm September 22, 2012 at 02:48 PM
Actually, there is one person listed on the nys website and we also received a notice home from the school district that there was another person living there as well. The notice I rec was a yr or so ago, I dont believe he is living there any longer. It just shows that they are housing pedophiles at this facility. I dont believe this appropriate being the school is just around the corner. As for the person or persons that have approached me in the store and parking lot, I have seen them walking from the facility right at the entrance. You could be right that they dont live there, im hoping that you are right .Maybe these panhandler ppl are from another facility like the residences that are throughout KP & neighboring towns that get bussed into to go to our stores. By the way i have been here 14y plus also have family members that have moved into KP as well, I have good friends that have lived here their whole life and they agree w me as well. I understand the mentally ill and agree that they need somewhere to go and I dont mind them being here, its just the few that I believe should not be in the community.
kptree September 22, 2012 at 04:25 PM
Kpdm the person currently living in KP and listed on the nys website is not a resident of kppc and has never been. As far as your incidents go they sound distressing and scary and I hope you reported them to the police. Making sure they are aware of community issues will help to keep accurate records so that if the offenders are from kppc facilities steps can be taken to restrict their free access to town. I
John K Massaro September 22, 2012 at 04:46 PM
Wow a whole 14 years huh? LoL. Just kidding with ya... But seriously, trust me. I made some calls, I did some asking around on this subject. There are currently no pedophiles or sex offenders residing at SOCR. RCCA on the other hand, well.... But that'll be closing down within the month, so no worries there either. Like I said, the SOCR residents are one step away from being released & most of them are just waiting for available housing post-treatment...
John K Massaro September 22, 2012 at 04:54 PM
And I can vouch for that, kp tree. The guy listed on the NYS website is not & has never been a resident of KPPC. A total idiot maybe, but no worries with him either, he's a harmless tool. The loser never leaves his house... But I agree with you too. If you're getting harrassed uptown by somebody, the proper authorites should be notified ASAP, regardless of whether they are a patient or not...
John K Massaro September 22, 2012 at 07:01 PM
Because Brookhaven Hamlet is boring & bland. They roll the sidewalks up around here after 9pm. Lol. Hell, we don't even have an "uptown" over here! A deli, a pizza place, the post office & a fire department. Blink & you'll miss this place. As soon as I get the chance, I'll be back in KP, lickety split. (Now is when you reply with something like "We don't want you here" or something NIMBY like that) Besides, a troll is someone who makes NEGATIVE posts on everything. I'm not negative on anything. Especially Kings Park. Try again...
Jennifer Sloat (Editor) September 22, 2012 at 07:07 PM
Comments need to be clean, non-threatening and no personal attacks.
John K Massaro September 22, 2012 at 07:07 PM
My apologies....
michael January 23, 2013 at 04:20 PM
I can tell you why I dont want them there- Way too close to WTR MS and RJI IS- Havent we learned enough from Sandy Hook?? Psych patients should not be near our children-period!!!!!!!!!!
kptree January 23, 2013 at 11:31 PM
@michael- the Kings Park Psychiatric Center was opened in 1885. The schools you mention opened along time afterward. The students and teachers did not have any incidents with the patients. Your remarks are 1. ignorant 2. bigoted 3. hateful. Not to mention, replete with false information and misunderstanding. The Newtown shooter was not a "psych patient", nor had he ever been committed to a facility. Maybe if he had, and help was available, the tragedy could have been averted.


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