No Power Plant For Kings Park

LIPA announced Wednesday that it will recommend Shoreham and Yaphank as two possible locations for plants.


The Long Island Power Authority announced Wednesday afternoon that it will recommend two locations to its board of trustees as possible future sites for a new power plant.

The two sites being considered are in Yaphank and Shoreham, but the proposed site in Kings Park is no longer under consideration. LIPA Board Trustees will be asked to vote on moving forward with conducting negotiations for 20-year Purchase Power Agreements with both companies as it determines which one will offer the best value to Long Island customers. 

LIPA issued a request for proposals approximately in August 2010, searching to build a new power plant to meet Long Island's growing power demand under its 2010-2020 Electric Resource Plan. There were 45 proposals submitted, including two in the Town of Smithtown area - one near Carlson's properties in Kings Park.

Nine months ago, LIPA whittled its list of potential sites down to six, including Carlson property in Kings Park by a Massachusetts-based company Competitive Power Ventures. The proposal suggested a 400 mega-watt natural-gas powered plant that would use ultra low sulfur distillate as a backup. It would cost $650 million to construct. 

"We had recommended if there were power plants to be built, that it was the best location in Town of Smithtown," said Smithtown Planning Director Frank DeRubeis.

Surrounding towns such as Commack, Kings Park and Northport have rallied against having a power plant in the area, citing health concerns, protection of groundwater and the proximity to surrounding residential neighborhoods, including a school.

"I think there was stronger support for other applications," DeRubeis said. "I mean there were communities that went out and were more in support of those proposals then we were."

The Northport Village Board recently joined opposition to a proposed power plant on 14.4 acres in Kings Park citing environmental and health concerns, as well as the need to make use of existing facilities such as the Northport power plant. The village passed a resolution to reject the proposal.

"I am glad that its not going to be a problem," said Bruce Ettenberg, president of the Commack Civic Association. "We were not planning  to be supportive of it. It would have been a big generator of air pollution and a lot of fuel being put on that site, with a lot more traffic up and down Townline Road."

The plant would have given Kings Park's tax base a boost.

"There is no alternative tax generator that would generate as much in revenue for the Kings Park school district," said DeRubeis. "A power plant would be a major source of taxes. Villages incorporate around power plants because they pay a high amount, such as the Village of Northport and the Village of Port Jefferson."

"The Kings Park Civic Association has stated from the beginning, as with any developing project, that if an application was filed to the town for a power plant that we would give the proposal a fair and honest review," said Sean Lehmann, president of the Kings Park Civic Association.

Two sites are being considered, but only one plant will be built. According to LIPA, J-Power, which is a subsidiary of Electric Power Development, has proposed to develop, own and operate a new 377 mega-watt natural gas-fired power plant in Shoreham on a site reserved by LIPA for a future generating plant. J-Power also owns four existing generation plants on Long Island, including one at Shoreham.

Caithness, which is a subsidiary of Caithness Energy, proposed to develop, own and operate a new 706 mega-watt natural-gas fired power plant in Yaphank. This new plant would be adjacent to its existing 326 MW power plant.

According to LIPA, the project developer would be responsible for obtaining permits for siting and building the project and would include an environmental review process conducted by state and local regulatory agencies, which involves public input. LIPA said it does not control the outcome of this process and that it is based on state and local permitting requirements.

J.REGULAR October 25, 2012 at 08:25 AM
no power plant yeah! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAIT. KINGS PARK THE LAND OF NO(NOT IN MY BACKYARD) WOULD THAT LOWER SCHOOL TAXES ? SURE IT WOULD HAVE. CELL PHONE TOWER ? THAT TOO!! 7_11 fought them forever . dunkin dounut , them too. waldbaums chased them out of town to be replaced by cvs good job needed another one of them.now lets fight HESS the only company in town that keeps are gas prices down WE SUCK.WE WANT LOW PRICES,NO OUTSOURCING,LOW TAXES,NO TAX INCREASESAND EXPECT EVERTHING. BUNCH OF JACKASSES
Frank Mercuri October 25, 2012 at 12:37 PM
No power plant in Kngs park again! The opposition to a plant was so far off base the last time. Research has shown, even from the oppositions own web site at the time regarding a site called "scoredard" which lists polutting entities in an area, rated Suffolk pwer plants as the least poluuting of all pollutants but rated the northport plant as the most pollutted. Politics always plays a part in what LIPA is doing from the getgo of its very existance. Have always maintained that Brookhave will be selected since the shut down of Shoreham facility. Brookhaven and especially Wading River lost a lot of tax revenue and the rate payers are continuing to cvver the LILCO (KEYSPAN and finally Power Grid) closing of Shoreham. Well I say that if Shoreham is being resurected for a site probably the old Shoreham facility then we rate payers should have a reduction in rates rather than increases. Yaphank was also a debocle . They had no energy sourse nor didtribution source as does Kings Park, yet they were chosen. New Power plants today are cleaner and more efficient than they have ever been. Let the opposition work for LIPA. When their rates rise let them complain.There was never any poof only rhetoric and scare tactics emmiting from the group. The biggest polluter in Northport pays Huntington over 60 million in taxes. they did not want to loose that from a facitlty to be in Kings Park. Why haven't they complained about that pollution, where it blows over them and Kings Park?
ebo October 25, 2012 at 01:14 PM
you forgot about turning down the sewer project too, it's like people enjoy living in the stone ages in one of the most populated and wealthy suburbs in the country... no sewers above ground utilities no natural gas (at least on my block) no 4G cell service high taxes etc... etc... I've only lived here a couple years, but it's about time to get on the board and talk some sense into closed minded people... what can they vote down next that won't bring in high paying jobs, tax revenue, etc... I don't know, but I'm sure we don't need it...
Ira Lipton October 25, 2012 at 01:22 PM
How about "Everything" in my back yard. With two landfills and an incinerator this community has been Abused by business , government and some neighbors who do not live near the area. Just as it would be wrong to place a power plant in a poor neighborhood, it is also wrong to place a power plant in a community already overburdened by the ills of a modern society. No Single community should be the repository of everything. Any element of fairness would bring you to the conclusion that rejection of this site is appropriate and beyond any reasonable doubt.
Alan Feigelson October 25, 2012 at 02:20 PM
How do you know that that the opposition was far off base? No facts here. This area is already overburdened with pollution from the incinerator and the industrial corridor. I pay taxes, too (probably more than you do), but my health and that of my family are more important to me. Alan Feigelson
James Turzer October 25, 2012 at 02:47 PM
Now you don't have "Everything" in your back yard, so you should feel less burdened by the ills of modern society. Why don't you demonstrate an element of fairness by shutting off your electricity, getting rid of your flush toilets, stop driving your car, get a horse, etc.
Gigi October 25, 2012 at 02:52 PM
Yes, no power plant in Kings Park again! Hooray!!! Thankfully, level heads have once again prevailed. Our area is overburdened with noxious sources of pollution. The Northport power plant is one of the largest on the east coast and produces tons of carcinogenic pollutants each year that we ALL breathe. Add to that the regional incinerator and all of the asphalt companies/sand mines/concrete crushing facilities along the Old Northport Rd. corridor and we're at critical mass. While we would all welcome a tax break, it should never be at the expense of our health and safety.
CAB October 25, 2012 at 03:15 PM
Anyone questioning the decision, should live near the "dumps" for a few months and realize the multitude of noxious odors being emitted from the Town of Huntington, and Town of Smithtowns incinerators, and "recycling" plants. Theres the rotten egg smell (sulphur?), theres the burning, actually smoke, and burning, that had me checking to see if my or my neighbors houses were on fire, theres the trucks and the beep beep beep backup noises that go all nite, the droning of the machinery, the the the. This is what we can see/hear what it is doing to our air quality, and future generations health, is questionable, I can only speak to the quality of life. To add a power plant here, and so close to Northports power plant...well it might bring in needed $$ however, those that live the opposite end of KP would also benefit from a tax reduction, and it truly is not in their backyard, I'm assuming that is who is reponding in the negative here.
Ira Lipton October 25, 2012 at 04:04 PM
So Fairness is not part of you decision making. If you are objective, you would realize the location of any " new power plant" should take into consideration existing sources of pollution. Two landfills and and a incinerator are enough. This community has sacrificed more then its share. Obviously, you don't care.
Frank Mercuri October 25, 2012 at 04:21 PM
A s once a tech editor, I do my researchg. As a former Tech editor and data specialist for the USAF assigned to an aircraft engine manufactureing plant I know a bit about what makes engines tick. As to the facts do your own research at scorecard, http://scorecard.goodguide.com/ and go to the town of Huntington and find out what they really get from the Northport plant in taxes. I am concerned about the envoirmrnt as much as anyone else having worked with hazard material in my youth such as asbestos. I quit smoling over 40 years ago and glad i did.
CAB October 25, 2012 at 04:51 PM
Research is always good, however life experience sometimes trumps it. As someone else has pointed out, enough here already, it cant all be about $$, use some sense.
s .lee October 25, 2012 at 05:28 PM
Gigi October 25, 2012 at 10:19 PM
According to scorecard, the largest source of air pollution in our area is the Northport Power Plant which emits 654,748 tons of pollutants into our air annually (much of this can cause cancer). Why would you willingly invite another major source of pollution into our local environment? Frankly, I don't care if they offered to wipe out my property taxes - the health of my children is not for sale.
Gigi October 26, 2012 at 12:17 AM
Tower king we see things so differently. To me what you just said is like saying, "Ted has leprosy and Sue has pancreatic cancer - why can't we have that too?" Other than some tax dollars there's absolutely no benefit to be living near a power plant. There are way more important things in life than money.
CAB October 26, 2012 at 01:06 AM
I'm reading tower kings comment as sarcastic not serious. Like the lemming towns all need to jump off the same cliffs not to be surpassed? I could be wrong. It has happened once ;)
GLENN October 26, 2012 at 01:20 AM
Frank Mercuri October 26, 2012 at 01:58 AM
The reason the Northport facility is the dirtiest is that it is old technology. new technology plants are cleaner and more efficent by using cleaner energy to operate such as natural gas. if you looked at scorecard you will also note that most pollution comes from mobile sources up to 90 percent. Mobil sources are autos trucks and the such. So who is really polutting the envoirnment for our children ? we are. have you ever stopped to smell the polution that these new diesel trains emit? Go to the KP RR station when they pull in and sniff at the idleing odor, you will choke. The point is we wanted a cleaner plant which would reduce the amount of pollution emitted from the Northport facility. Well you got your wishes. no cleaner plants and continued dirty one at Northport. Where is the logic? Its money period and Huntington benifits from the dirt the Northport facility emits. I am concerned about my grand children and i would rather have a cleaner plant generate their electricity than a dirty one they will breath from the winds placing the pollution in their back yards.
Gigi October 26, 2012 at 04:16 AM
This plant was never meant to run instead of the one in Northport...just in addition to the one in Northport. LIPA's RFP was for additional power generation to the existing power plants. Therefore our local air would have been even further polluted. The Northport power plant (and Port Jeff, etc.) should be retrofitted to bring them up to modern day standards. BTW, there will be another cleaner plant...in Shoreham or Yaphank according to LIPA. What's disconcerting is there is no move whatsoever to develop renewable sources of energy production. That's what we should all be focused on if we want to leave a better world for our children.
Steve J October 26, 2012 at 01:40 PM
there needs to be senseable development in the town , and utilizing existing industrial corridors to add to the tax base is needed. This in turn helps support growth and civic improvement so 20 years from now , the area stays affordable for everyone not just the Elite . There was a gas fired generation Plant in KPPC for years with no ill effects to the community .
Gigi October 26, 2012 at 03:30 PM
The power plant in KPPC was coal fired power plant that was able to produce between 3 to 7 megawatts of electricity for the psych center buildings. The power plant that CPV was proposing was 400 megawatts and was natural gas/oil fired. You really can't compare the two. Additionally, Long Island does have a very high rate of cancer and respiratory illnesses - all of which can be caused by or exacerbated by power plant emissions.
Frank Mercuri October 26, 2012 at 04:38 PM
The KPPC power plant was converted to not use coal many years ago. i recall when the coal was delivered via the LIRR across 25A. This was no longer done. Steve J is correct. Gigi, there is little or vague proof on plant causing cancer. They also attributed the cancer rate to fertalizer used on farms and polluted the water. If you read sccorecard you will see that power plants are the least polluting and the most is from mobile sources. You also left out of the equation that we get our winds from west to east and with it carries pollutants i.e acid rain, Narthport emmissions, and when it rains we get it into our water supply. Also the power plant on the now park land is not scheduled for demolition the stack is. the plant can be used for future use.
Gigi October 27, 2012 at 01:25 AM
Tower king - I never thought you were being sarcastic and you didn't offend me. I just don't think the tax benefits outweigh the health risks.
Gigi October 27, 2012 at 01:05 PM
Cancer has be attributed to many environmental and genetic factors - it is well-documented in the medical literature. It is also well-documented that power plant emissions contain known carcinogens. As for the power plant at KPPC, I doubt the "Keep the Park in Kings Park" folks would ever approve of that plant being recommissioned. My understanding of the sentiment in that area is that the land should remain pristine.
CAB October 27, 2012 at 06:19 PM
@Tower King....Oh too bad, your comment would have had more validity then! :)
Truth B Told November 11, 2012 at 09:28 AM
The new "combined cycle" natural gas power plants will have much better efficiency numbers and will be awarded far greater "run time" awards in the NY Independent System Operator energy market than the legacy Northport "gas boiler" plants. That means the $ value of the 4 Northport Units will drop and their Tax Assesment will drop as well. I predict that the Northport site will be only 2 working Power Plants in ten years. And just like the surprise announcement of the LIPA Glenwood Landing plants retirement pulling $15 million dollars out of the annual North Hempstead tax collection stream, the Huntington area will suffer equally. That'll be a cool $1000 added to the annual tax bill of each homeowner in the Northport school district. But its OK, its for the children.
Ira Lipton November 12, 2012 at 03:18 AM
Truth is in the eyes of the beholder. The only thing you are interested is your tax bill. Let them make the Northport plant more efficient. Location,location,location. The Kings Park area is the worst area for any power plant. It is over saturated already! Would you support a Plant on the grounds of Kings Park Hospital? Next to the High School? San Remo? Near Town Hall? Where ever you live? As long as you don't see it its ok? Our area has had enough. It has already been abused. No More--
Frank Mercuri November 12, 2012 at 12:43 PM
The opposite is true Ira. The power plant is a dead issue. One can talk about it from now to doomsday and a plant because of politics not any other reason was not chosen for KP. However, today's tecnology would be nothing like a Northport plant. More energy is needed for Long island. The plant would have cleaned up the blighted areas not add to it. They are made to fit in as clean green facilities. The Nissequoque river State Park has the old power plant there and if needed can be refurbished and used, but its output is limited. The stacks will be gone soon so one will know a plant was there. Locations are an issue. The areas you cite would never be practical The area sugessted for KP already has a gas supply and transmission towers. You are entitled to your opinion but facts always outway emotion.. The area needs a good cleanup and industry that will add to the tax base is welcomed not shunned so long as it provides jobs in a safe clean envoironment.
Ira Lipton November 12, 2012 at 02:55 PM
We who live near the area do not believe a power plant will clean up the area. Two landfills and the incinerator are enough. This area has suffered enough. We are only saying to share the sacrifice--not "everything" in our neighborhood. New plants should take into consideration existing pollution sources. That is all. Retro fit (with new technology) Northport is fine. The new proposals are in less dense areas . Our community has said "No more". We have had enough--


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